That just evidently means that he was comparing it to Beerus, when he said that Jiren is on par with a God of Destruction. proof? Gogeta Blue stomped someone comparable to Beerus without much effort, meaning Gogeta is likely much stronger than that. He was shaking the stadium, that's the only thing there is to shake. Whether stronger or not Broly is hovering around that Area and Gogeta stomped him. When he is attacked by Liqueur's Tail Energy Cannon Barrage, Belmod takes no damage from the assault. Whilst Jiren was heavily supressed. I just wanna rub it in the faces of people in here who can't tell a narrative device when they see one. @thelostshinobi: Even if he can damage Goku, which I doubt, there is no way he is beating Goku in 15 minutes. Never has Whis nor anyone else stated that Broly nor Gogeta was more powerful. Prove me wrong that Gogeta Blue is not stronger than Beerus.Because Beerus never worried about Broly. The real debate should be SSJB vegito vs Beerus. How many times do we have to keep debunking this? I know that Vegito wasn’t able to win, especially due to the time limit. cat dies. where his Universe is in danger of being erased where he and Whis can't intervene. Gogeta via having an awesome design, beyond anything seen in Super. A common debate. He was just chilling and keeping an eye on everyone's Ki. "How can a mortal release this much Ki"? I don't want any vague BS or excuses or any other useless comparisons from a stupid gag episode. Not the same as straight up busting a universe. In Tournament of Power, Whis personally said that: "His powers has reached the domains of a God of Destruction or potentially has even surpassed it" when Jiren only released a bit of his Ki or that he was supressed heavily. there is no scaling that puts him above that. @karkus: What? Because Super Saiyen God or ssg goku was 70% of beerus. so yeah, dozens of times uiversal is High multi universal. This is a big difference between "You might be stronger" than "On-par or entered the domains and POTENTIALLY even surpassing it" Moreover Jiren's tiny little amount of Ki released made Beerus sweat like a piss fountain and when he released a "hint of his true power" made Goku revert back to his base form, because he has realised the gap between them. Super Saiyan God increases the power by x700. They aren't. Makes sense. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball ... no one on this list is on his level, meaning if Gogeta doesn't take down Broly straight away, Broly will simply adapt and get too strong. Meaning he is much stronger than he was before. Goku base and Beerus had the potential to destroy the entire universe just by colliding their fists and God form the impact of their fists destroyed solar systems. As we all know Whis is a teacher/mentor of a God of Destruction, so he knows pretty much every nooks and cranny regarding the powers of a God of Destruction. Perhaps Gogeta could damage him, but I just think that he's above him. It's just a gag episode, Champa and Beerus were never serious. And Beerus scales of off jiren and goku who shook infinite world of void, so yes he scales higher. Does that make a lick of sense scaling wise? MUI Goku surpasses Beerus and Jiren was able to swap hands with MUI Goku. He has seen Beerus going all out in the manga (GoDs battle royale) and in the anime (Beerus vs Champa). Unlikely and probably both show something is possible, but the latter connotes that it's more likely than the former. Please OP, this is so one sided. Well, all of those words mean more or less the same thing, as I'm sure you know. @karkus: Still doesn't prove Beerus is any means weaker does it? Not the same as straight up busting a universe. If Jiren beats the team, then Beerus gets erased. It's more likely he compared it to Beerus when he fought Champa in Episode 69 of DBS, since that was the first time he saw a serious Beerus fight. I'm not here to let you blow smoke up my butt and tell me otherwise.Provide me with evidence or don't claim otherwise especially if you have nothing to backup your claim...I am still waiting for proof that Broly is on Beerus' level... @karkus: Try again...You don't know anything about the English language. Powers and Stats. Because Beerus never worried about Broly. The only two mortals that surpasses Beerus are Jiren and Goku with his Mastered Ultra Instinct form. If the two brothers were serious then they would've actually released more of their Ki's. Beerus would take this mid to high dif. This means ssg goku was around 2,100,000,000. ?Do you not understand synonyms?? @karkus: Why are you comparing feats to a gag episode? GG. Probably > Might. He was comparing Jiren to Beerus'power as a God of Destruction at that time when he said that, naturally because he is Beerus' teacher and mentor, so he knows his strengths and weaknesses. Just think back to Trunks cleaving Fused Zamasu in half. @deathwingterminatort1000: Gogeta only lasts 15 minutes max in Ssj4 so he doesn't even have the standard 30 minutes. You did, and still haven't provided any evidence. 2 hours ago. @karkus: Might and Probably are the same? Boosting Omega Shenron's power level to Beerus level won't be enough for a victory for Omega. As proven when Jiren said: "Both of your attacks are sharper" and when Goku Blue Kaioken + Vegeta Blue Evolution was attacking Jiren, Jiren tanked in all those hits and he was largely still sealing his powers off and during the Saiyan's assualt, never once did Jiren release anymore power/Ki nor his face expressions changed to a slightly more annoyed expression. Goku vs BeerusThanks For WatchingIn this video, I will be diving in on my personal very own personal power levels for DBZ, DBS, DBGT, DBH. @thelostshinobi: Repeat thread, but welcome anyway. Not with collision. Furthermore, Full power SSJ Broly couldn’t even land a single finger on Gogeta once he used SSB. If Broly was on Beerus'level, you would think the least he can do is gravely injure Frieza? As you can see, there is no reasonable arguement that can put Gogeta anywhere near the kind of power even an SSB possesses, much less Beerus. filler is canon to GT so i'm not sure why it's brought up. I dare you to find me a quote from Toriyama and Toyotaro, or anything from a legitimate source. So Arale is stronger than Vegeta and Goku is she? Really, nothing to compare to Jiren and Toppo's feats, nor Mastered UI and C). While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. That literally makes no sense whatsoever. In Xenoverse, pairing Gogeta against Beerus will make Beerus say "Hohoho! Gogeta should win. SS4 gogeta (dozens of times stronger)> SS4 goku (probably stronger) >= SS vegito > Buuhan (universal). You can't compare Beerus especially since, he has never shown his full strength. Yes. Gogeta is the Metamoran Fusion of Goku and Vegeta, formed to defeat Broly. I personally like Gogeta more, so for me, he wins. Even if you disagree the basis of your argument is still dumb, cause both Gogeta and Beerus scale far above Buuhan. Bias against GT or Super aside, who would win? anyways. Beerus power level at 100% is around 3 billion. Stomp. Jiren would easily thrash Broly when he's heavily surpressed. Even if he did, this is a battle between him and Beerus, he's not gonna let him leave and find the Supreme Kai. 30,000,000 x 100 = 3 billion. Going by feats for one character while scaling for the other is stupid, especially when Beerus(the character with feats) would scale massively above Buuhan as well. Whis never mentions that Broly was in a God of Destruction's domain like Jiren has when he was comparing to Beerus as a God of Destruction. Universe 7 wasn’t a concept until DBS so it’s universal designation isn’t relevant. In 2 or 3 hits, he dominated Frieza and KO'ED him in an instant. @devoidruby: That's complete and utter BS. Heavily suppressed Jiren being stronger than Beerus doesn't fit with other statements such as that MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus. SSJ4 Gogeta isn't even on a level with SSB Goku, and normal ki can't damage Beerus, you need God Ki. I didn't even watch all of Super yet and Beerus seems more impressive to me. I don’t think it’d be easy, but this one would go to Broly and Jiren. @deathwingterminatort1000: Please tell me how SSJ4 Gogeta does not stand up to SSB Goku, @deathwingterminatort1000: yea ik lol I was just fucking around with that post lmao. I never said he did. It meant the destruction of his universe if his team loses. Goku's power scaling was never 100% correct. So,Gogeta goes 100% and again,wins with even more scratches.Finally, the Omniking.I say the Omniking is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta. And? © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Might means maybe, while probably means most likely. The only time he was serious was when he fought with Goku God form. Not to mention he wasn’t busting the universe, he was merely ripping through the barriers to parallel dimensions until the universe collapsed. ", while Gogeta will say "Maybe I can win against Lord Beerus now." It all depends on who the authors like more, and its been like this for quite a while now. Beerus power level at 1 percent is 30 million. so threats are feats now? Using what Dragon Ball Nation said (I don't know his real name) Whis would be 80% SSJ4 Gogeta.So,Gogeta goes 100%,toys with Whis a little,then takes the fight seriously and ultimately,wins with a couple of scratches.Now,since Dragon Ball Super is out,why not cover Champa and Vados and the Omniking. Beerus via superior feats and even better scaling. Beyond that fight, Goku has never saw what Beerus is capable of (anime). That says Gogeta or Broly is on Beerus'level. Personally,I think SSJ4 Gogeta would be stronger than Beerus and Whis.This is how I think the fights would go:It would take Beerus a while to go 100% because he hasn't went that in a long time so,SSJ4 Gogeta would probably toy with Beerus until he goes 100%.Once Beerus does reach his max power,I think SSJ4 Gogeta would still play around with him.I think Beerus is about 40% SSJ4 Gogeta.So,SSJ4 Gogeta goes 75%,toys around with Beerus,then knocks him out.Now,Whis. They all show that something is possible. Gogeta and UI Goku both bodied someone, one stated to be > beerus, the other => beerus. Transformations do not matter, feats do not matter. I don't recall Jiren bursting his way out of a dimension via force or anything like that. In Super, it's never stated which percentage Beerus actually used so it's difficult to judge. Just can't imagine the power level of something like SSGSS3 Vegito or some crazy shit like that. @chasekilleen: in the manga Beerus was holding his oun against 11 GoDs Belmod including, as well being the last GoD standing alongside quitela who’s statement proves this 2 are the strongest GoDs saying he figure both of them will be the last standing, while elmod was smiling on the ground it doesn’t mean his stronger than Beerus it’s only mean he rather not put himself in a hard fight for no good reason while Beerus and quitela had a score to settle and are the strongest GoDs, also in the manga it was quitela who beat Beerus in Arm wrestling not Belmod and even if you want to argue it’s Belmod in the anime it doesn’t mean he will beat him in a straight fight it’s only Means he’s slightly stronger, Beerus has better feats/statements and implication to be the strongest GoD. Gogeta and Broly hasn't even shown anything that's close to what Jiren was capable of during the Tournament of Power. The only reason they don't is because they can counter their own shockwaves when they strike. The same can't be said while fighting Broly. Please OP, this is so one sided. beerus is only Universal via feats. @phantasial: Dumb comparison considering Broly and Jiren both trashed stronger versions of SSG Goku, and while yes scaling is more important in cases like that DBS and GT don’t scale to each other which is why feats are more important. Combine that with a power level that just seems naturally off the chart, and you have one good contender for giving Beerus a hell of a fight. Vegito should be way stronger but with how fucked super power scaling is you never know. I can say for 100% certainty though that Gogeta Blue >Full Power Jiren > Omen Goku 3rd time since Gogeta bodied a person with identical statements to Omen Goku at least. The Super never stated how much power Beerus even used when fighting Goku God form.The movie said close to 70%, but clearly he was bluffing, but that statement is full of crap anyway, since when Super anime came out, it retconned that entire statement.The only mortal beings capable of beating Beerus are Goku Mastered UI and Jiren and also his limit breaker form. Buu was going to destroy the mortal universe, there is nothing suggesting otherworld would have been destroyed too. He has Whis to protect him, and is a good match for Broly himself. @mainjp: You still haven't shown any feats nor evidence saying that Gogeta is stronger.Jiren still had better feats than Gogeta and Broly's fight. That wasn't base Goku. Meanwhile SSB is an advancement of a form that could physically destroy the universe with shockwaves from physical attacks. He didn't have to be, he and Whis were right there and free to stop him if need be. There's nothing outright saying that he's on Beerus'level, again that's not Beerus' level. SSJ Broly was also the one who fought Golden Frieza, not LSSJ Broly, who was compared to Beerus. Jiren shook the entire world of void just releasing a tiny bit of his Ki. I don't see Beerus stomping Broly like Gogeta did. That means no Bluff Kamehamehas from SSJ4 Gogeta nor a portion of own's power used by Beerus (AKA Full power used). There's no proof to suggest that Gogeta is even on Beerus' level.Judging by the movie.Gogeta hasn't shown anything in terms of feat wise that's even comparable to Jiren. still nothing. Quotes? © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Also, if Beerus was much stronger than Broly, it would be disingenuous to include such a statement with no indication that it was wrong. SS4 Gogeta simply lay for having the coolest design in the Dragonball lore. Gogeta, one of Dragon Ball's strongest, is the Metamoran fusion of Goku and Vegeta that was introduced to us canonically during Dragon Ball Super: Broly.Being a fusion, this form increases their power level tremendously, as seen in the movie, where they … In my honest opinion it's Beerus. IF Beerus and Gogeta ever fights Beerus will still win since he's never brought out his true power in a match. SSJB Vegito or Gogeta- if that ever happened, would be a way better match up. Did the authors make Trunks overpowered for no particular reason other than fanservice? Since Champa is weaker than Beerus,I put him 30% SSJ4 Gogeta. B). Plus, Gogeta only lasts for 30 minutes. Goku said that Beerus while sleeping is using his unretstrained power or that in the [Majin Buu arc] he said that he could take out Kid Buu, but his body gave up on him and during the entire fight Kid Buu and Goku SSJ3 was on par with each other. In the movie, just the standard Super Saiyan power-up was enough for him to beat the crap out of Frieza for about an hour and it took the combined might of both Vegeta and Goku (literally) to finally take the big beast down. The fight between SSJ3 Goku and Beerus was one-sided, but Goku could still track Beerus's movements for the most part. In the anime Whis implied and in the manga Belmod was the only God of Destruction to dominate several other Gods of destruction. @karkus: Even Whis stopped Beerus and Goku's match when they were just merely "sparring". I can't wait for the day we see a serious Beerus. He's also had the training of Whis, and Angel and the most powerful being in Universe 6 (I think it's 6, maybe 7). Beerus utterly stomps. @tony501: Belmod is stronger than Beerus. R1: Beerus stomps. The fact he took years to build that much energy shows OS himself is actually even weaker than that, so beating him isn't really much of an achievement here. there was no mention of a ''mortal'' part, universe only. MUI Goku was around Beerus full power and likely a bit stronger. And Jiren is the only being next to Goku Ultra Instinct that's shown to be able to can fight on par with Beerus' level. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball - General This is ... a Spirit Bomb that was stated later in the Tournament to rival SS2 Kefla in raw power, ... since we don't know what level of UI Beerus has access to. beerus via feats locks at universal. Already did. Made Goku scared just by showing 'a hint' of his true power.Gogeta/Broly did none of that even remotely close to what Jiren did when heavily surpressed try again. His power will be retconned until he's more powerful than Zeno, Seriously Goku should wipe the floor with him by realistic scaling even without UI, OT: I think it's been established that Super>GT in terms of power so Beerus should win. Now if by multiplying 10 by 30 mill = 10% then multiplying 100 = 100%. !AND HIS TRANSFORMING INTO IT WITHOUT BEING FUSED IN THEIR SUPER SAIYAN 4 STATE. ready to take you anytime. It is the time limit and whether they manage to stay fused that is the kicker in that fight. your argument is headcanon, the ''multiverse'' wasn't a thing, but the fact that the otherworld is a part of the universe was emphasised. No. Beerus and Whis themselves even acknoledged that Goku in MUI has already surpassed Beerus. He didn't say that. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. And his statement was solely basing it off of the Beerus in [God of Destruction arc]. Toppo a God of Destruction in training, the weakest God of Destruction is more powerful than Frieza. So we can say that Goku is the least reliable power scaler in Dragon Ball (DB) franchise. Buu used Vice Shout to collapse dimensional walls and pass through them, Gogeta and Broly were shattering entire dimensions. SSJB Gogeta roflstomped a Beerus level fighter. Hope this helped. Broly on the other hand neither made Beerus bat an eye, nor did he make Goku and Vegeta break their own limits and also Goku and Vegeta never used their Kaioken and Evolution (respectively) So we can definitely say that didn't try their absolute hardest. Gogeta effortlessly stomped a Beerus level enemy, he annihilates here since Beerus doesn’t get ridiculously stronger through the course of a fight like Broly does. what's an Infinite of nothing? Then Gogeta f*#ed around on Broly, so that puts Gogeta around Beerus level aswell, maybe above it, but its safest to say that he's 'around' that level. Manga Beerus knows Ultra Instinct (Omen), and judging how full powered Broly couldn't even touch a casual Whis. And Belmod never got injured by Liqeueur's attacks and at the end, Belmod was the only God of Destruction that never got injured, despite the fact that he was attacked multiple times... Belmod even confirms that "Jiren is a being that never loses, no matter who he's up against"For a someone that a God of Destruction cannot defeat means that the other individual is more powerful than the Gods. Tier: Low 2-C | At least Low 2-C. Name: Gogeta Origin: Dragon Ball. ?They never said MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus... Beerus and Whis themselves even acknoledged that Goku in MUI has already surpassed Beerus.When did they say "might"?Give me the direct quote... @karkus: I'm talking about how the dubbed said it. There are battles on this forum with SSJB Vegito vs Beerus. This is about as much a universe buster as carbon emissions are a life wiper...in fact, that very attack, after only having its polarity reversed to positive, normal ki...didn't destroy anything at all. He thrashed Goku Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken X20 and tanked in hits from Goku Kaioken Blue and Vegeta Blue Evolution whilst still surpressed. That was the ever-expanding, strength gaining shockwaves, not the impact. Tbh we could get clear confirmation on who wins if toei can tell us who's stronger between Vegito and beerus. He acknowledged Jiren was far from full power, so it's more likely he was referring to what he thought his full power was. Even base super goku solostomps GT. Yes, you stated that, but it's unsure if it's true. Read Gogeta vs Beerus from the story Dragon Ball Xeno: Part one by Silenttoast132 with 344 reads. I could point to some scaling, but why should I bother. Furthermore, many, many times has Goku been mistaken about his own and other people's power, he either always over/under estimates it. It evidently concludes that they don't think of Broly as a threat (universally) in anyway. The threat was the after-effect, and only over time. 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